For many years, those who were speaking loudly about a possibility of gold and silver price manipulations were branded tin-foil conspiracy theory seekers.
After the CFTC 5-year investigation was concluded its verdict just cemented the view that there was no manipulation what so ever. You wouldn’t expect any other outcome if the head of the agency was a former Goldman employee, would you?
There was plenty of evidence of machinations. Finally, a group of investors stepped forward with a suit against DB. They alleged that with the help of the London Fix, options and futures trade price of metals were rigged.
After few months of investigation, DB agreed to pay the fine and what is more important, to cooperate with authorities and share documents proving other banks’ role in the scam. We are talking about HSBC (of course) and Nova Scotia. It is nearly sure that we will hear about other banks soon. Interestingly enough, HSBC while manipulating the price, used cheaper Silver to buy physical metal from polish KGHM.
Many details are unknown and that’s evident in media reporting different things. What we know for sure is the fact that precious metals market rigging is officially a reality.
What’s next?
Unveiling such a scandal will be very healthy for the market in the long run but in my opinion, there won’t be any sudden jumps in price. A Huge majority of cases against banks ends being settled with penalties paid by financial institutions – de facto shareholders themselves. For the real change to come we would need to put the heads of banks in jail. As long as banks get just slap on the wrist (money penalty) there will not be any real change in their behaviour.
More lawsuits against DB
New lawsuits were on their way the moment DB admitted to manipulation. DB, HSBC, Nova Scotia and others are going to be taken to court by class actions of their investors.
Co-owner of Tanzanian Royalty Exploration – Jim Sinclair – is preparing a class action and many of those who lost money are going to join such renowned name. Both mining companies and investors lost money when risking their money in metals, derivative instruments and mining companies’ equities during 2011 – 2015 bull market.
If massive actions against banks were to follow Sinclair’s move maybe we are going to get to the bottom of this and end price rigging once and for all. Chances are low and the trial itself will definitely take few years.
Arbitrage and SGE
Few days ago the biggest gold market, the Shanghai Gold Exchange started publishing their own golden fix. London’s market competition. China is right now the biggest producer and consumer of gold in the world on top of storing probably the biggest reserves on the planet.
These circumstances are the definition of Chinese drive to exercise bigger control over the price of bullion. What makes SGE different from London Fix or Comex is the fact that China actually deals in physical metal, not in contracts where gold is only written with ink.
In my opinion, investors are going to acknowledge this difference and China’s price will be higher. This will make arbitrage possible. Investors may buy a cheaper contract for gold in the US, require delivery of physical collateral and then sell it for more in China. As a result, soon enough there will be no gold in CME and contracts for gold and silver will be suspended. Price control will be gradually given to Asian hands: ‘one who has gold makes the rules’.
Summary
This manipulation of price was not about profit. Yes, when the price of metal increased, Commercials increased their short position and then initiated losses. When you know the stop loss levels and enjoy infinite money from central banks it isn’t that hard.
I want you to understand the most important part of this. Media by omission is not telling about one more key player – the Bank for International Settlements which coordinates every central bank in the world.
Since 1971, central banks issued only fiat money (‘IOU’ equivalent). This sort of currency could only survive through a natural devaluation. The society wouldn’t be happy about it but to make this process acceptable all major currencies have been destroyed simultaneously. Those who are clever used barometer to understand how their currency is decaying – the price of gold.
In 2008, the system of fiat, paper money collapsed under its weight making gold price harder to manipulate – we see that confirmed in the DB case. I am curious how investigation and penalties will affect the condition of the German giant.
Trader21
Saymyname
It's funny how in the US VW has to pay huge fines and buy the cars from their owners due to the emissions scandal - but in Europe, it doesn't need to do this. It seems like Merkel and Hollande are far behind Trump, Cruz or even Obama or... Hillary
Arminius
This is more a basic thing of how the legal system works: Would say in US you can easily start selling things without huge audit. But dare you did a mistake - then its going to be expensive (VW, "Hot coffee", cancer & cigarettes). In Europe, its the other way around. First "should" be extended checking. If somethings goes wrong afterwards, extremely rare to get compensation for your damage. We may argue which system is better. As a German I would prefer US, try explaining that to the German Angst crowd though.
Rather interesting is a comparison between some hundreds(/thousands?) deaths due to wrong working airbags/gas pedals (Toyota and Ford - or was it GM?), forcing those manufacturers to pay a panalty of appr. 1bn whereas Volkswagen better calculates with an amount times 20.
Tyler
@Arminius
It's funny because what you say is perfectly seen in how VW is approaching the emission scandal. In the US, they have to buy the cars from owners - as the product was invalid and this was concealed on the date of purchase. Case closed. In Europe, they will lawyer up and pay nothing. You may remember VW case - it was about the golden shares held by authorities and the illegal (in the light of EU competition law) amount of power given with those shares. The case was closed without any damage to VW. EU rested their weapons. It's ridiculous. I guess the legal system is about keeping cattle in place and past several zeroes on your account you just don't care what law says.
Arminius
@ Tyler / @ saymyname
For sure! Don't even think about a valid compensation in Europe. But u know - its not about crony capitalism, its about the system itself how it works in europe. A friend of mine (btw engineer) has a Diesel that is affected. He asked me, whether or not he should try legal actions. I told him directly: "Take the potential chance of winning incl. the amount of money you can get and put in in contrast to lose and pay for your lawyer by yourself. You're !reading! about the US situation, but you're in Europe/Germany. THAT'S DIFFERENT. Although not being lawyer - my intuition tells me.. do not try that!"
VW is highly infected by politics. Regional government has the qualified minority vote. (That "illegal power" u mentioned). Nowadays its starting that you can watch documentaries how good it was in bygone days - the city of Wolfsburg (which has been built just for the purpose of VW) and the city's major... how great they once worked together... getting an extreme deja vu regarding Detroit et. al.
I would reject saying their cars are worth nothing/worthless... but this is what you get when politicans do have constantly huge power in large scale companies. (Same goes for banks - espc. in Europe.)
12euro
@Tyler. @Arminius
because of those high standards, there are so few cases when something goes wrong!
Tyler
@Arminius, @12euro
Point is that freedom is better from the moral standpoint and from the economic standpoint. The golden rule is what should be taught as a principle in schools. Rather than this - we see rules, licences and other forms of government intervention - how effective they are in securing their goals - unintended consequences tell enough of a story to understand their efficiency.
@12euro
Just watch the "britain's trillion pound horror story" and the segment about sir John James Cowperthwaite. Then we can talk about how many businesses are going bankrupt each year and how Europe wastes its potential.
@Arminius
I believe that VW case was also about strongarming the EU into TTIP, plus showing who is actually stronger. Let's not forget that GM paid 1bn for deaths of 190 people vs VW with 19 bn bill for some emissions (which everyone is lying about). Just wow. The DIFFERENCE between European and American company
Sanders4pres16
Hi, I'm a student and I would like you to participate in a poll of who would you like to be next president of the US (preferably also 'why?') http://vote.pollcode.com/16496827
Eastwood
@Sanders
Clicked your poll. I think Trump will win, but TPTB are still uncertain. Who is behind him? I doubt he is so anti-establishment as he is painting himself. I hope to be wrong on this but I live in this world over 50 years and politicians only failed my hopes.
jeff
@all
Ok so let's bet on whether FBI will drop the bomb on Hillary or will they let it slide :D
Arminius
@ Tyler
You know... I was born in '86 in East Berlin. Starting equity trading in the age of 16, studying economics - literally the black "capitalist" sheep of the family. Today I sit together with those whom I went to school and family members. And it is fascinating how hard it is to convince them, that socialist ideas and EU-bureaucracy are the death nail to their wealth. Its not a german idea - its european. And its better to let them go down the road. That ideology will never ever reinvent/heal itself from the inner. It has to fall to its knees.
And then comes the time, competing for day-to-day needs, where we can show how much "refugee welcome" we are - today nobody wants to hear at all facts like "prospected 3.6m people would word by word double the unemployment in germany". Just give those people the chance to experience not so rosy times, and hope its not gonna be violent or even racist.
As far as the author of that blog is polish(?!?) I really would like to congratulate him... as far as the polish people are relatively young, without an enormous amount of debt/promises and in recent history quite disappointed of socialism... Middle Europe has a substantial possibility to close the ranks.
Warren
@Jeff
They won't drop anything. Believe me - Clinton (ofc with her husband) have been there for years. The amount of bullshit and things she knows about others is the single argument for her being a sure defender of the establishment. Easier to control, easier to destroy and her being inside of the shady deals or f*ck ups (look Benghazi, allegations of covering up Bill's rape) reaffirm her status as 'our girl' for the political elite.
@ Saymyname
Cruz is too weak and it shows. Everyone would gladly accept him snatching nomination instead of Trump. Trump is too independent and may be politically violent for too many people. I'm not even hoping for any big changes in terms of economy. Only people pushed to the wall have the opportunity to choose the right policy. There is still much more debt and poverty that can spread until people will make educated choices.
Tyler
@Arminius
Quite a story - there must be quite a great deal of critical thinking inside of you to go 'rogue' as you did. I can't agree more. People can't be spoonfed with happiness. Everyone needs to care first for themselves, then for loved ones. If one loses this basic moral perspective or even calls for coerced charity taking higher moral ground (hmm 90% of European politicians trying to save poor, refugees, women, planet, fish, birds, forests literally everything) THERE - it's a red flag.
The liberty and responsibility for one's actions are two sides of the same coin - they can't understand it. Rather they would like to see Mutti Merkel being one great saviour of Europe. Only in times of despair people learn economics (and I don't mean Keynes' fantasies).
As for polish people - the WW2 generation cannot comprehend liberty in the meaning of economics. The half of the century communist cancer is still installed in the institutions. Although, there is hope. Those who migrated learnt the hard lesson of economics and efficiency of other systems. Depends whether there will be political will - today there is only status quo.
Expofo
@Arminius
I saw what is happening in Berlin last days. It's impossible! It's beyond me how this facebook'd, instagram'd youth are shouting stuff like 'anticapitalism'... Especially, after looking on how Germans lift themselves from poverty after WW2...
Arminius
@Expofo
ho ho ho... Did u recognized the whole tragedy?... Others and Claudia Roth (major leader and voice of the green party, as well as official Vice President of Bundestag [=kind of US congress]) managed to join leftist protesters showing banners like "Germany - Die!" & "Bomber Harris - Do it again" (referencing to the UK military who invented the idea to burn out whole cities like Dresden in order to blast civil support in WWII, resulting in Hiroshima-like civil casualties).
Of course she said she wasn't aware of that (possible). But can't imagine a nation that would not instantly remove a person like her from a position of public responsibility. What happened in Germany? Just tiny minor reports in non-mainstream media. No consequences.
I would be totally cool in thinking phenomena like this will just vanish as far as it's rather selfdestructive but not illuminating/meaningful. Indeed I've a rising fear that by enforcing to be the most Anti-Hitler in universe ever existed, they are getting exactly the opposite they wish for.
(Still) Nowadays being german and stating you're proud of it literally makes you suspecious of being a Nazi within Germany (no stereotyped thinking, just what u should expect even from a near friend). Reality on a wide range and the value "being aware of/learning from history" decoupled. And this is it what the leftist ideology in 21th century makes it (unnecessarily) dangerous.
I don't want to go philosophical... but I've the feeling for instance the crime at New Year’s Eve in Cologne isn't basically disturbing to the german public. It is that it went public and can't be denied as a contradiction to their state of mind. I guess a lot of the german people just wish "that shouldn't have happened" as far as it would be easier to live with the general circumstances to whom they swear an oath. Worst of all would be to question executed decisions.
(I'm fueling a discussion that is way off topic - sry!)
Expofo
@Arminius
I guess there is no off topic in this discussion :)
I do not comprehend the national suicide which is unveiling in front of my eyes. The hate born out of self-loathing is so big that anything that is 'against' is good. I see it in Sweden, Norway - where politicians were refusing deportation of a rapist (of a small child) to his country because it would endanger possible victim in his home country O.o WTF did I just read? I mean through marxist political correctness (I believe he 'invented' it) people are gagged and the new form of newspeak has developed.
It may sound like a conspiracy but have you heard about the German Card http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-183232 ? It may bring some reasoning as to 'why' those things are being shoved down peoples throats. Also, I found this woman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4F-bv9zTpo
Oh and Wolfgang Schaube talking about how crisis is good because then people will accept more centralised government also scares the hell out of me...
Arminius
@Expofo
Oh ya... Feels like parts of Scandinavia try to front run those "bright chance" developments. Just thinking about the rape capital Sweden which, starting in 70s, stunningly tops all the western nations by multiple(!!) times. Who has to be blamed? Certainly the Swedish people themselves. a) Police (by sociologic regime) isn't allowed to track ethnical background and b) of course just sociological progress encouraged the people to report crime like that. Oh man - even if this is meant to be satire I can't laugh.
For me it looks like an effort to create societies that are as much heterogenic as possible. Therefore you have a crowd that lost any identity. Cui bono? Old roman saying: Divide and rule! Way easier to control them. It may be legitimate for politicians in order to ensure freedom in Europe. But dude - that is a gigantic social experiment of totally uncertain results.
Was pretty astonished a couple of years ago when I noticed a Norwegian popular comedian was allowed to broadcast a small series called Hjernevask (Brainwashing). Definitely didn't expected it from Norway. Being anything but nationalistic just by rationality and humor he literally wiped out a lot of the major sociological made myths. It's still available on youtube with English subtitles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E577jhf25t4&list=PLd9_g7lAICxtlGbxh4_z8ik178o8CDPnv
Regarding crises... I mean it’s an old song. Use every terror attack to enforce common border patrols/surveillance/limitation on liberties (see random recent headlines). Use every economic crisis to enforce common regulation/accountability/EU banking union/deposit guaranty fund/ESM/etc.) If you ask me, in the last couple of years they just pushed too hard. And right now it’s going to be way harder to foist the European idea onto the peoples. You see it in the Visegrád states (Poland, Czech, Hungary, + Austria). They just question that multicultural experiment - and IMHO they have a right to do so. Outcome of exuberant social welfare state + mass immigration isn't condemned to be awesome. Sometimes it feels like we in Europe are trying the US way, forgetting the significant socio-economic differences to the US.
Arminius
wrong wording:
It may be legitimate for politicians in order to ensure peace in Europe.
Arminius
And regarding conspiracy... Germans being till 2099 vassals of Washington. Naturally I would be doubtful. But it's interesting... why is the US still operating a strategic large scale military base in Germany/Rammstein? It raises the question for what purpose it is meant to be? To assure peace in Europe or to take political influence? Trump accidentally is putting it straight to the nucleus - Germans (biggest population in Europe unable to defend themselves?) should pay to be guarded by the US. Voluntarily they would never ever do so.
Tyler
@Arminius
I really like your analysis. Especially 'Cui bono' phrase - straight to the point. Seeing recent desperation regarding the TTIP and people's resistance it looks obvious that refugee crisis was supposed to soften anyone who would be against it and as much as everyone have personal opinion about mass immigration - TTIP is much more complicated deal and politicians can take over here - just like they tried with ACTA few years back. Second stage would be weakening Russia so that it will be an ally against China in 2-3 decades.